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Laurent Brondel's avatar

Isn’t there a perception issue with how “rich” is defined? Middle to high income citizens pay the most taxes, but the ultra rich have very little in terms of income, they are enormously rich in assets and the dividends that come from them.

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Lillia Gajewski's avatar

So I understand where you're going and it's a nicely reasoned argument, but you talk about how we shouldn't let emotion drive us, and you are, in a way. And this is coming from a liberal perspective. I don't like the income inequality in this country, but the reason you're not going to get some people to sign on is that we understand where we live.

So let's start with some numbers. If you took the entire combined wealth of every billionaire this country has (which you state above is $7 trillion) you could run the entire country for precisely one year (maybe a few months into the next). The budget for the US government for fiscal year 2024 was $6.2 trillion (and a good chunk of that is interest on the US debt). Once you see that, you start to understand where the problem is. It's not with taxing people. It's with the spending. If all you're going to do is tax the "ultra-wealthy" without getting a handle on spending, even a liberal knows you're not fixing anything. You're just pouring more money in a black hole.

But then comes the second problem. We've already demonstrated this is not going to help in any meaningful way because the spending is out of control, but both sides see this "extra money" and they go crazy: tax cuts for corporations, "forgiving" student loans, building up the military (there has to be a war somewhere we can send weapons to at taxpayer expense). And so now you have to start looking lower on the food chain for taxes, so tax the ultra-rich becomes tax the rich becomes tax the middle class becomes tax everybody.

But more often than not, the things that are sold as "taxing the rich" are taxing everybody. I'll give you two good examples. The first one I saw in Biden's first tax plan when he said he wasn't going to tax anyone making more than $400,000, and then I saw that he'd included a tax on "stock trades." Everyone with any kind of investments would pay for a tax on stock trades, outright in their investment accounts or as part of their 401Ks or IRAs. Even pensions would get hit as pensions are basically just large, "communally owned" investment accounts. Suddenly even someone working at the local fast food chain with a 401K became "rich." The second example was the wild idea to apply capital gains rates to inheritances. So I pass away and my niece inherits my house. The suggestion was that she would pay capital gains rates (in the form of inheritance taxes) on the difference between what I bought my home for and the value at my time of death. For most people, their homes are their only real assets in this world. Right now, when someone dies, the inheritors of their estate (however large or small) get a step up in basis, which means if they inherit the house and decide to live there, they pay nothing (unless their estates go over something like $5.5 million). If they sell it in a few years, they only pay capital gains on the difference between the sale price and the value at the time of death. But they wanted to change that. I ask you, how many people could afford to pay capital gains taxes on a house (or a businesses, a farm, anything) on what they *inherited*? It would be a tax on *everyone* again, and most people would have to sell the home or business.

And that is why, even as a liberal, you're not going to sell me on taxing the "ultra-rich." You can show me all the pics you like of Bill Gates's homes. I hate the fact that we have such income inequality. And, yes, men like Bill Gates are getting far more out of the system than they're putting in. But to let the government tax Bill Gates, I have to believe they will stop with Bill Gates. And they won't. I have seen absolutely nothing to suggest they would, and much to suggest they wouldn't.

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