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Emily Pittman Newberry's avatar

Basic principles matter. Our founders were imperfect human beings like all of us universally are. All the more important to remember times when they did the right thing, especially when it might have been unpopular or go against the personal interests or beliefs of important others.

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Margaret's avatar

JOHN ADAMS APPRECIATION!!! :D

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Chris Myers Asch's avatar

Due process is indeed a “lodestar” of American government and part of what made the American experiment so radically different from monarchical governments of the past. Adams‘s defense of the British soldiers, which was quite controversial among American revolutionaries of the time, is a great way to show the deep roots of due process. Well done!

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Frenchy's avatar

I agree with you about this; however, where was your voice when the Biden administration allowed, and in fact encouraged, illegal entry into our country? Where was all the righteous outrage for the last four years while one party decided to physically change the electorate for a perceived political benefit? Look around at what is happening in countries that participated in unrestricted immigration promoted by the WEF/EU, what do you see?

We have a huge mess on our hands. I would argue it has been self inflicted. I don’t see any easy or clean solutions. I am sad about the due process violations; but I am absolutely furious about the recurring violations that were being actively promoted for the last four years while all the righteous slept.

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Joy in HK fiFP's avatar

The Uniparty has two names, but it is always and still the Uniparty. No one should be fooled by switching up the names.

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Mancuso's avatar

There's one viewpoint I don't see anyone addressing: the intended audience for these actions.

As seen from inside the US, I agree with the neat first-principles position of Trump critics. Looking at it from the outside, however (which is where I am), it's quite clear that these actions are meant as a message for aspiring abusers of US hospitality in general, and for their governments in particular.

I've been long baffled by why moving to the first world, and to the States specifically, was treated as a human right, so a realistic update doesn't feel wrong on its face. Sure: how it's taking place is ham-fisted, and it's likely unsustainable beyond Trump's shelf life, but is it directionally correct? I think it might just be.

There's no reason why the rest of the globe shouldn't get our acts together and deal with our own huddled masses.

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Dierk Groeneman's avatar

Due process is a great example of the checks and balances that were built in to keep all the branches of government honest. Trump has chosen instead to bet America's future on his infallibility. That's a bad bet because we already know mistakes have been made.

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Joy in HK fiFP's avatar

"Ignorance"! More like wilful disregard.

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Scott Snell's avatar

Yet another installment in the long-running series Everything Bad Orange Man Does is Bad.

Due Process fully applies only in criminal criminal cases, much less so with visa violations. The US has always had the ability and the willingness to remove foreign visitors it deemed unsuitable, for a wide variety of reasons. Basically, if INS decides you're gone, you're gone.

Saint Barack his own self was known as the "deporter in chief" with reason: He forcibly removed millions of illegal migrants, more than Clinton and Bush and the other Bush combined. But you don't hear the Left howling with indignation about that. Gee, what do you think THAT's all about?

These deportees are not nice people. They are hardened criminals who damage our society. And if you think they have a place here, you are either delusional, suicidally empathetic, or actually want to hurt this country.

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Zaid Jilani's avatar

And yet the vice president accused a man of being a “convicted gang member” when he was no such thing. I would not accuse your resentments with the facts.

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